Coded the 45 pistol
2013-07-23, 10:21 AM (This post was last modified: 2013-07-23, 10:22 AM by DeltaStrikeOp.)
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RE: Coded the 45 pistol
True, TKOF doesnt take into account terminal ballistics, fragmentation, hydrostatic shock, and all that good stuff like the wound channel leading to bleeding out. That's one reason why the 7.62x39mm AK round was really ineffective against soft targets since it didnt fragment and relied upon yaw upon entering tissue, even though the TKOF of the 7.62x39mm is higher than the 5.56 NATO

The article about .223s not penetrating much compared to pistol calibers is true and makes sense. Pistol calibers aren't fragmenting, and they have higher amounts of momentum compared to the "overpowered" .223 (115 grain round 9mm vs 55 grain round 5.56), so they will carry more of their energy through barriers if they penetrate. I remember a SWAT contact telling me once that cars are effective cover (and concealment). He claimed that the sheet steel causes the rounds to fragment (if rifle/fragmenting round), or sometimes stop at the door itself (pistol rounds usually). In the worst case sceneario, the car would at least absorb most of the energy to the point where you're gonna be hurt, but not dead.

I understand what you mean by the rifle not meant for suppression, but keep in mind that it is an assault rifle, not a battle rifle. It fires intermediate rounds that have lower recoil compared to battle rifles, and can be used in rocknroll mode in a pinch. Compare that to the M14, which tried to be everything, and sucked at full auto. The burst function is useful for CQB operations, but it is severely limiting. An experienced operator almost never uses burst, and instead uses controlled bursts on the automatic setting.
Sometimes the longer barreled SAW is used for long range applications, such as laying down a wall of lead for our infantrymen with assault rifles to take the point, since the 14.5 inch barreled M4 has an effective range of about 200 meters. Then again, my relative shot 500m targets with an M16A2 w/o any fancy optics for qualifications. What a difference a few inches of barrel makes (and also for fragmentation).

I understand your frustration about 9mm's (and heck, the .38 Special. What a joke) being more powerful than rifle rounds like the .223 and specialized rounds like the Mk. 262, but again, the chart doesnt take into account terminal ballistics, and basically analyzes KO factor by physics.

Oh btw, I find it a bit funny how the article was from Olympic Arms. Nothing like endorsing a certain caliber of firearms to increase sales. ^_^

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Coded the 45 pistol - by dm.mossberg590a1 - 2013-07-20, 04:04 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by DeltaStrikeOp - 2013-07-20, 11:09 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by dm.mossberg590a1 - 2013-07-21, 12:03 AM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by ruler501 - 2013-07-21, 12:36 AM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by -{ET}-xdEpicZombie - 2013-07-21, 06:00 AM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by DeltaStrikeOp - 2013-07-21, 10:19 AM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by dm.mossberg590a1 - 2013-07-21, 11:06 AM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by ruler501 - 2013-07-21, 04:05 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by DeltaStrikeOp - 2013-07-21, 08:18 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by dm.mossberg590a1 - 2013-07-21, 08:45 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by DeltaStrikeOp - 2013-07-21, 09:22 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by dm.mossberg590a1 - 2013-07-21, 09:54 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by DeltaStrikeOp - 2013-07-21, 11:31 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by dm.mossberg590a1 - 2013-07-22, 08:40 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by DeltaStrikeOp - 2013-07-22, 09:08 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by dm.mossberg590a1 - 2013-07-22, 09:56 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by DeltaStrikeOp - 2013-07-22, 11:47 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by dm.mossberg590a1 - 2013-07-23, 01:35 AM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by DeltaStrikeOp - 2013-07-23, 10:21 AM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by dm.mossberg590a1 - 2013-07-24, 10:08 AM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by ruler501 - 2013-07-24, 11:22 AM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by dm.mossberg590a1 - 2013-08-03, 10:47 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by ruler501 - 2013-08-03, 11:40 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by dm.mossberg590a1 - 2013-08-04, 12:06 AM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by {KE}bluwarguy - 2013-08-04, 10:11 AM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by dm.mossberg590a1 - 2013-08-04, 12:39 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by -{ET}-xdEpicZombie - 2013-08-04, 02:24 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by {KE}bluwarguy - 2013-08-04, 03:02 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by ruler501 - 2013-08-04, 04:45 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by dm.mossberg590a1 - 2013-08-04, 08:07 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by ruler501 - 2013-08-04, 11:34 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by dm.mossberg590a1 - 2013-08-05, 01:22 AM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by ruler501 - 2013-08-05, 11:36 AM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by dm.mossberg590a1 - 2013-08-05, 12:02 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by ruler501 - 2013-08-05, 03:01 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by dm.mossberg590a1 - 2013-08-05, 09:31 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by ruler501 - 2013-08-06, 01:45 AM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by dm.mossberg590a1 - 2013-08-06, 01:32 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by ruler501 - 2013-08-06, 02:52 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by dm.mossberg590a1 - 2013-08-07, 08:57 AM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by ruler501 - 2013-08-07, 09:11 AM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by forumlurker007 - 2013-10-29, 12:47 AM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by ruler501 - 2013-10-29, 03:02 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by dm.mossberg590a1 - 2013-10-29, 03:28 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by DeltaStrikeOp - 2013-10-29, 06:55 PM
RE: Coded the 45 pistol - by forumlurker007 - 2013-10-29, 10:07 PM

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